We Know That the Earth is Billions of Years Old

Superfact 1 : The Earth Is Billions Of Years Old

The scientific evidence overwhelmingly show that Earth is billions of years old. There is no credible scientific evidence for a young Earth.

This is the second post on my super-factful blog. As I mentioned in my first post the goal of this blog is to create a long list of facts that are important and known to be true yet are either disputed by large segments of the public or highly surprising or misunderstood by many. These facts are not trivia, they are accepted as true by the experts in the relevant fields, the evidence that the fact is true is impressive, and they are important to the way we view the world and to what we believe, and yet they are hard pills to swallow for many. They are not scientific theories or complicated insights but facts that can be stated simply.

In lack of a better term, I am referring to these facts as “super facts” and so far, I’ve made a list of more than a hundred. In addition to just stating the fact I will explain why we know that it is true and discuss the evidence, give background information and provide links. However, my posts will not be deep dives into the topics in question. I will try to remember to suggest resources for further study. I am open to suggestions for super facts as well as challenges to super facts I’ve posted, or other things I written that someone may disagree with. In fact, I would find that helpful, as long as we can discuss the issue in good faith and keep it friendly.

I will certainly be open to counter arguments but let’s keep it friendly. Photo by Ketut Subiyanto on Pexels.com

My first super fact, which is this post,  is “We Know That the Earth is Billions of Years Old”. To some this may seem trivial whilst others dispute it. The scientific community states that Earth is 4.5 billion years old and that humans evolved over millions of years. This is not in dispute among the scientists / experts in the relevant fields, and yet a lot of non-scientists do not believe this. A 2019 Gallup poll showed that 40% of US adults believe that God created humans in their current form within the last 10,000 years. Therefore, I think this is a good example of a super fact.

Is Earth 4.5 billion years old or 6,000 years old? Photo by Pixabay on Pexels.com. It was originally taken by Bill Anders and published by NASA.

Older Beliefs

As a teenager I believed that Earth was 6,000 years old. That was before I knew much about science. I had read agenda driven books that left out, or wrongfully dismissed the evidence for an old earth while presenting faulty arguments for a young earth. Just learning about the relevant science was enough for me to realize that I had been bamboozled. At first, I dug my heels in, but I eventually realized that the belief that earth was 6,000 years old was not tenable and unsupportable by science.  

If I had known and understood any of what I am posting in this post when I was 14 years old, I don’t think I would have been bamboozled by the young earth creationist books. However, I can add it was not the only time I was bamboozled. I am hoping my blog will lead to some new insights and good reflection including for myself.

Perhaps some new insight. Perhaps some intellectually honest reflection. Photo by Keegan Houser on Pexels.com

“Old Earth” Vs “Young Earth”

Below I am first presenting some evidence for “old earth” and then some arguments, or faulty evidence, for “young earth”.

Radiometric dating of meteorite material, terrestrial material and lunar samples demonstrate that earth is 4.5 billion years, or more precisely 4.54 billion years old.

The various measurements include radiometric dating of rocks and crystals and meteorites found in the earth’s crust as well as moon rocks. There are a number of radiometric dating methods, not just carbon-14.

For example, comparisons of the abundance of carbon-12 and carbon-13 has been used to established that the increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere comes from burning fossil fuels, not another source of carbon. Radiometric dating methods use the relative abundance of radioactive isotopes in materials. For example, I-129 (Iodine 129) decays to X-129 (Xenon 129) with a half-life of 16 million years. So, if only a quarter of the original amount of I-129 remains you know that corresponds to 32 million years.

There are a lot of other radioactive isotopes with a wide range of half-lives that can be used for radiometric dating, including uranium-lead dating (U-235, U-238, Pb-206, Pb-207), Samarium–neodymium dating, Potassium–argon dating, Rubidium–strontium dating, Uranium–thorium dating, Chlorine-36 dating, Argon–argon dating, Iodine–xenon dating (I-129 – Xe-129), Lanthanum–barium dating, Lead–lead dating, Hafnium–tungsten dating, Oxygen-Oxygen dating (Isotopes O-16, O-17, O-18), Potassium–calcium dating, Rhenium–osmium dating, Uranium–uranium dating, Krypton–krypton dating, Beryllium dating (Be-10 Be-9), and many others as well the mixing of dating methods.

These dating methods use radioactive decay to establish age, and the various isotopes mentioned have half-lives from a few thousand years to billion years.

There are also dating methods that do not use the relative abundance of radioactive isotopes to establish age. In fission track dating you count the “track” markings left in it by the spontaneous fission of , for example, uranium-238 impurities. In this case you don’t need to know the initial abundance of the radioactive isotope.

In luminescence dating methods you don’t even rely on radioactive isotopes but the effect that background radiation has had on materials. Stratigraphy, or stratigraphic dating, is a relative dating method that uses layers of sediment, rock, debris, and other materials to date events.

Radiometric dating uses the rate of radioactive decay and knowledge of initial relative abundances to establish age. Earth comes out to be billions of years old, not 6,000. Stock Vector ID: 2417370135 by grayjay
We can see galaxies that are billions of lightyears away.

This does not establish the age of the earth, but young earth creationists typically also believe in a young universe. In addition, an old universe makes a young earth implausible.

The light from a powerful stellar object or a galaxy that is five billion light years away took five billion years to reach us.
We know stars are old because they develop according to certain physical processes.

These physical processes give different stars different lifespans. You can establish the age of a star by determining where it is along its development. An example is our sun. It has fused (burned up) up around five billion years’ worth of hydrogen, so we know it is around five billion years old.

The heavier elements in our solar system originate with older stars that burned out and exploded.

Our solar system, the earth and our bodies contain many kinds of elements heavier than iron. However, elements above iron in the periodic table cannot be formed in the normal nuclear fusion processes in stars. But they can be formed when massive stars die in a supernova explosion or when neutron stars (dead stars) collide. A massive star living, dying, exploding in a supernova, and after that the heavy elements are spread all the way to our solar system, is not a process that can take only 6,000 years. It’s millions and billions of years. It is also interesting to note that this means that parts of our body consist of materials originating in faraway dead stars. We are stardust.

Electromagnetic radiation, including light, and heat transfer, travels from the inside of the sun to the surface and this process takes 100,000 years.

The photons are emitted and reabsorbed over and over, which is a relatively slow process inside the side. If the solar system, the earth, the sun, etc., is only 6,000 years old, how can we see the sun?

Heat / radiation transfer from the inside of the sun to the surface of the sun takes 100,000 years.

Finally, some young earth arguments

Radioactive decay rates have changed drastically (No!)

First, this is an ad hoc argument that lacks evidence. Secondly this claim cannot work. The rates of radiometric decay (the ones relevant to radiometric dating) are a result of fundamental physical properties of matter, such as the probability per unit time that a certain particle can “tunnel” out of the nucleus of the atom.

You can’t change fundamental physical properties without destroying physics and how atoms work. The claim is also contrary to empirical evidence. For example, analysis of spectra from quasars show that the fine structure constant has not changed over the last ten billion years.

Another problem with this argument is that for a young earth you would need the decay rates to have been millions of times faster in the past, which would require changes in fundamental properties that would have plenty of noticeable effects on processes other than radioactive decay, not to mention the radiation being millions of times stronger than today. That’s a lot of radiation for Adam and Eve to survive. It would have fried everything.

In addition it is also a mystery how the dozens of different radiometric dating methods could have remained consistent with each other throughout time and add the fact that there are dating methods that do not rely on the decay rate of isotopes.

Young earth creationists sometimes make the claim that the initial ratios between isotopes may have been different.

That the initial ratios/condition were different in the past and therefore radiometric dating is unreliable is a better argument, but it also fails. In this case you must take it case by case for each radiometric dating method and situation. There are some rare cases of mistaken assumptions but there are also cases where the amount of the daughter isotope is known to have been zero, which makes it easy and reliable.

The speed of light in vacuum has changed throughout history (No!)

Similar to the situation above, this objection does not work because the light speed in vacuum is a fundamental constant that is not believed to change, and it would be very strange if it could change. It has been measured and no change has been seen. An example is the Einstein’s equivalence of energy and mass E = mc2. If the speed of light once was millions of times faster than now, the energy contained in a kilogram would be a trillion times larger than now. Where did all that energy go?

Another example, from electromagnetic theory the speed of light is determined by the inverse of the square root of the electric constant multiplied by the magnetic constant (see below). You would have to drastically change the strength of the electric and magnetic fields (by the trillions) to get the speed of light to be millions of times faster. If you for example made the electric field a trillion times weaker how would atoms hold together?

Yet another example, Planck’s law features the speed of light in vacuum constant. In physics, Planck’s law describes the spectral density of electromagnetic radiation emitted by a black body in thermal equilibrium at a given temperature T, when there is no net flow of matter or energy between the body and its environment. Changing the speed of light in vacuum would turn light into very slow microwaves. How would Adam and Eve be able to see? Not to mention that the proportionality constant on the right-hand side of Einstein’s field equations has the speed of light in it. Gravity would essentially disappear. The light speed in vacuum shows up in many other physical relations as well.

A few equations in which the speed of light in vacuum is a fundamental constant.

The earth’s magnetic field has been weakening during the last 130 years as if it was formed from currents resulting from earth being a discharging capacitor (claim by Thomas Barnes). This would make an impossibly strong magnetic field already 8,000 years ago.

I remember this being one of the arguments in a young earth creationist book that I read as a teenager. However, there are a number of problems with this claim.

  • The first problem with this argument is that there is no good reason to believe that earth’s magnetic field acts this way. It does not act like a discharging capacitor.
  • We know that earth’s magnetic field has reversed itself several times thus disproving the discharging capacitor model.
  • Thomas Barnes’ extrapolation completely ignores the nondipole component of the field.
Earth’s magnetic field. Stock Vector ID: 1851166585 by grayjay.

If the earth and the moon were billions of years old there would be a hundred feet thick dust layer from meteorites  on the moon. The moon landing proved otherwise.

This is yet another argument I remember reading in a young earth creationist book (Scientific Creationism by Henry Morris) as a teenager. The problem with this argument, as I would later find out, is that Morris’ claims about a hundred feet thick dust layer was based on faulty and obsolete data. The expected depth of meteoritic dust on the Moon is less than one foot (after billions of years).

An old earth would be covered by 182 feet of meteoric dust.

This is another claim that I remember from Henry Morris’ book. The observed rates used in Morris’s calculations are based on dust collected in atmosphere; this measurement was contaminated by dust from the earth. More recent measurements of cosmic dust influx measured from satellites give an influx rate of about 1% as large, corresponding to a 66 centimeter at most thick over 4.5 billion  years.

Basically, the evidence for an old earth is very compelling whilst young earth objections to that evidence fails, and young earth arguments tend to fail. At least I am not aware of any valid young earth argument. In addition, based on my readings of young earth creationist books, these books tend to be conspiratorial in nature and making implausible claims about scientific community having certain agendas. There is a reason the young earth view is nearly universally rejected by the relevant scientists.

Conclusion

My conclusion is that the fact that we know that the Earth is Billions of Years Old is a super fact. We know it’s true, it is important, and yet large portions of the public reject that fact.


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Bamboozlement Misunderstandings, Big Surprises and My Journey

Bamboozlement Misunderstandings Big Surprises and My Journey

“Bamboozlement Misunderstandings Big Surprises and My Journey” is the first post of my super-factful blog. The goal of this blog is to create a long list of facts that are important and known to be true yet are either disputed by large segments of the public or highly surprising or misunderstood by many.

These facts are not trivia, they are accepted as true by the experts in the relevant fields, the evidence that the fact is true is impressive, and they are important to the way we view the world and to what we believe, and despite being known to be true they are hard pills to swallow for many. They are not scientific theories or complicated insights but facts that can be stated simply. In a paragraph or less. They may need more explanation than what you can fit in one paragraph, but they can be stated, perhaps with a brief explanation in just one paragraph.

Some important facts that are known to be true may still be hard pills to swallow. Photo by JESHOOTS.com on Pexels.com

In lack of a better term, I am referring to these facts as “Newstrade” and so far, I’ve made a list of more than a hundred. In addition to just stating the fact I will explain why we know that the fact is true and discuss the evidence, give background information and provide links. My posts will not be deep dives into the topics in question. However, I will try to remember to provide links for further study.

Why I Created This Blog

The reason for wanting to create this blog is not to prove anyone wrong, but because I think a list of important and true but often disputed, misunderstood or surprising facts would be a very interesting list. I am hoping that you my readers as well as I will learn from it. I am hoping it will be a growth opportunity for all of us. If we learn that something we used to believe is wrong, well that’s progress, that’s growth.

I am hoping to make the site interactive. I am open to suggestions for super-facts as well as challenges to super-facts that I’ve posted, or other things I have written that someone may disagree with. In fact, I would find that helpful, as long as we can discuss the issue in good faith and keep it friendly. I should say I would like to avoid politics.

I will certainly be open to counter arguments but let’s keep it friendly. Photo by Vera Arsic on Pexels.com

My Journey

One thing I would like to make clear in this post is that I have been bamboozled, misled, and I have misunderstood facts and information, and I have disputed information that turned out to be true. I have also seen others stubbornly insist on things that were obviously false. As time as passed, I have come to realize that it is very common that people believe what is known to be false, and conversely reject facts that are known to be true, and I am including myself in that. We are all guilty but naturally we are not aware of this and being told you are wrong can sometimes be unpleasant.

It is not just about being misinformed or ignorant about the topic in question. It is very much about arrogance, thinking you know when you don’t. I have often heard people say the darndest and strangest things about topics they obviously know almost nothing about and with total confidence on top of it (that includes myself). I have seen people with not even a paragraph worth of knowledge on a topic (and that little piece was wrong) lecture experts and professors on the topic, completely unaware of how silly that is.

However, it is also about a lack of curiosity and protecting your belief system or political viewpoint or tribal belonging. But I think it mostly is about arrogance. Do you think you know better than the scientific consensus even though you don’t even have a degree in the field? Do you think you know better than the community of experts? How much do you know about the evidence? Are you really interested in the evidence? Learning and growth requires humility, open mindedness and consideration for the evidence.

Consider the evidence, respect expertise and be humble. Photo by cottonbro studio on Pexels.com

First Super Fact

My first super fact, which is discussed in my next post,  is “We Know That the Earth is Billions of Years Old”. The scientific community states that Earth is 4.5 billion years old and that humans evolved over millions of years. This is not in dispute among the scientists / experts in the relevant fields, and yet a lot of non-scientists do not believe this.

A 2019 Gallup poll showed that 40% of US adults believe that God created humans in their current form within the last 10,000 years. I think this is a good example of a super fact because it is widely disputed and yet so accepted as true amongst the relevant scientists, and you will understand why it is accepted as true if you know something about the evidence. I will provide an introduction to the evidence in my next post.

Is Earth 4.5 billion years old or 6,000 years old? Photo by Pixabay on Pexels.com

As a teenager I believed that Earth and the Universe was 6,000 years old, and that evolution was a hoax. That was before I knew much about science. I had read agenda driven books that left out, or wrongfully dismissed the evidence for an old earth while presenting faulty arguments for a young earth. My religious background had something to do with me believing these books as well, but I also thought that I had the scientific facts on my side. The books and the so-called evidence presented in these books appeared scientific to me at the time.

Eventually I came to realize that this belief was unsupportable by science and untenable. Not by reading counter arguments, or books disputing the creationist books I had read, but just by learning about the relevant science. I was interested in science, and I got accepted to “Naturvetenskaplig linje”, a Swedish high school program for students with good grades and who showed aptitude for science. This program was like taking lots of AP classes in math/calculus, physics, biology, and chemistry, and it prepared me well for my university level studies in engineering physics and electrical engineering, which eventually led to my PhD.

A learned some interesting physics at “Naturvetenskaplig linje” and a lot more at the University. I loved physics, especially modern physics. Photo by Andrea Piacquadio on Pexels.com

In physics I learned about radiometric dating. That topic had been mentioned in the young creationist books as well, but they had insisted that radiometric dating was unreliable, they typically only talked about one radiometric dating method (carbon-14), not the several dozen other ones, they did not mention other types of dating methods, and they stated that radioactive decay rates very well could have changed. They also stated that the reason we could see galaxies billions of light years away was because the speed of light had drastically slowed. It was not an honest picture.

Radiometric dating uses the rate of radioactive decay and knowledge of initial relative abundances to establish age. Earth comes out to be billions of years old, not 6,000. Stock Vector ID: 2417370135 by grayjay

Now I learned why radiometric dating was very reliable if done correctly, and why radioactive decay rates must have remained constant. I learned  about the physical laws involved, and I came to realize that highly sped up decays would have fried Adam and Eve. I learned why the speed of light could not have changed, and I encountered a large amount of other evidence for an old earth and an old universe that the creationist books did not say anything about. I realized that I had been bamboozled.

Creationism Vs Evolution

However, there was more. I also had to give up my view of creationism versus evolution. The evidence for evolution, including what creationists like to refer to as “macro-evolution” was overwhelming. From my biology classes at “Naturvetenskaplig linje” I came to realize that the fossil record and the strata as depicted in creationist books was misrepresented. For example, the talk about missing links was misleading. I came to realize that the evidence for evolution came from dozens of other scientific fields and that it all came together to form a very solid and compelling body of evidence.

The fossil record is a lot more solid and much less problematic than the creationist books I had read claimed. Shutter Stock Photo ID: 1323000239 by Alizada Studios

The creationist books I had read claimed that there was a contradiction between evolution and the second law of thermodynamics. As I studied entropy and the second law of thermodynamics, I came to realize that was just a very simple and silly misunderstanding. It eventually became clear to me that I had been misled on this topic as well. I am planning to make one, or a few, super-facts around this topic.

Second law of thermodynamics Shutter Stock Vector ID: 2342031619 by Sasha701

Back in high school (“Naturvetenskaplig linje”) I became very interested in modern physics, quantum physics and relativity, and I was in for more shocks. The second postulate of special relativity states that “the speed of light in free space has the same value c in all inertial frames of reference.” What that means is that no matter what your velocity is and no matter what the velocity of the emitting light source is, all observers, even if moving at different speeds and in different directions, will measure the light to have the same exact speed c = 299,792,458 meters per second or approximately 186,000 miles per second or 671 million miles per hour. This isn’t possible unless the different observers measure time and space differently.

In this picture Amy is traveling past Alan in a rocket. Both have a laser. Both measure the speed of both laser beams to be c = 299,792,458 meters per second.

However, as I began to learn more in depth about what this meant for space and time I started seeing contradictions of various kinds. It turned out to be a lot stranger and counter intuitive than I had imagined, and I got angry. It felt like the whole thing was impossible, illogical, and a sham. It seemed like Einstein was wrong and all the physicists were wrong and all the Nobel prize winners in physics were wrong.

Well, I was humble enough to realize that I was not smarter than all of them. It must be something I had not figured out, and finally I understood what that was. I learned to let go of thinking in terms of “absolute time” and instead thinking of time as relative. It was the depiction of time as a fourth dimension that helped me with that.

Like most people I had been preconditioned to think in terms of absolute time. The whole thing became clear to me very quickly and now it seemed perfectly logical. I was able to understand and enjoy all the amazing discoveries that this new way of looking at time and space led to. I think this is a super fact because it is an important insight into time that is highly surprising and in general poorly understood.

Time is going to be different for me and you in many ways including the order of events. From shutterstock Illustration ID: 1055076638 by andrey_l

That’s when I encountered two books that claimed that special relativity was illogical and a sham. They were written by a self-proclaimed philosopher of time, who had declared war on relativity. He really thought that Einstein was wrong, and that all the physicists were wrong and all the Nobel prize winners in physics were wrong about this. He believed he had figured something out that they hadn’t.

I saw quite easily where he was wrong. First of all, just like me had made unstated assumptions about time and space that were incorrect. Unlike me he could not even use the related physics formulas correctly.

Soon I came to realize that he was far from alone. Once upon a time there were a lot of people who like him had attacked relativity. They not only attacked the theory, but they also went after Einstein himself. In retrospect this looks pathetic, but it is arrogance again. If you have a hard time understanding something, don’t assume that you are correct and that the experts must be wrong.

One thing these failed critics all had in common was that they did not go after the General Theory of Relativity, which is even more abstract, complicated and counterintuitive. Why? Probably because it was so abstract and mathematical that they couldn’t even get started, and that should have been hint for them.

The understanding of black holes requires the General Theory of Relativity. Stock Photo ID: 2024419973 by Elena11

Rethinking My Beliefs

Well, when it is about bamboozlement, being surprised, and learning to understand what at first seems strange, I was far from done. About 15 years ago, I became increasingly skeptical and doubtful of global warming or climate change as it is more commonly called now a day. The reason was that I almost exclusively read and watched rightwing news media such as world-net-daily (tended to push conspiracy theories), Newsmax and Fox News.

I believed in the concept of global warming, it is basic science after all, but I thought that it was exaggerated and that it was promoted and distorted by left-wing agendas, and I incorrectly believed that there was no scientific consensus on the issue. I believed that whatever warming that existed could be explained more by natural cycles than our fossil fuels.

I also bought into the false narrative that this was about environmentalist ideology, politics, or even a sort of environmentalist religion, and not a real and serious problem. My disdain for environmentalists, and my gut feelings certainly aided the propaganda in misleading me. In addition, I read a lot by Björn Lomborg and Patrick J. Michaels and I believed them. To clarify, I did not know it at the time, but I was wrong, very wrong. Below is a video from NASA showing the annual shrinkage of the arctic sea ice.

To see the NASA web page from where the YouTube video of the shrinking arctic ice is taken click here.

I should say that I had some lingering doubts about my own “climate skepticism”. During my travels to national parks, the great barrier reef, and other places, I encountered guides who were scientists, as well as others, and they told me about coral bleaching, ocean acidification, receding and disappearing glaciers, the pine beetle problem, white pine blister rust, the destruction of forests due to global warming, and I could see some of the effects with my own eyes in northern Sweden, which is close to the arctic and therefore the effects of global warming are more visible.

Temperature anomaly graphs from NASA, Hedley Center, Japan Meteorological Agency, NOAA, and Berkley.

It also bothered me that my physics hero Stephen Hawing was a global warming alarmist and that other leading physicists and astrophysicists whom I admired, such as Michio Kaku, promoted and warned us about human caused global warming. Add that popular science magazines I subscribed to, such as Discover and Scientific American frequently wrote about global warming. I should say that I tended to skip those articles and I believed those magazines had a left leaning bias.

The carbon dioxide concentration measurements began in 1958 at the Mauna Loa Observatory on the island of Hawaii. Since then, several other ways of measuring carbon dioxide concentration have been added.

However, there were too many red flags regarding my “climate skepticism”. It seemed like a lot of people knew and understood something I didn’t. This prompted me to take a deep dive into the matter. I had a decent scientific background and that helped. I learned that global warming is not caused by natural cycles, something the experts on natural climate cycles repeatedly stressed. It is not the sun, or volcanoes and it isn’t a normal cycle, and the recent increase in temperature is disturbingly quick.

I also learned that warming caused by greenhouse gas emissions have a certain fingerprint; the arctic will warm faster, nights will warm faster, the tropopause would be pushing up the boundary with the stratosphere, the mesosphere would be cooling and contracting (think the troposphere as being a blanket). All of that has been observed. Long story short, I had been bamboozled. We not only know that Global Warming is real, but we also know that we are the cause, primarily because of our greenhouse gas emissions. That is yet another super fact. It has many doubters and yet the evidence and the experts are clear on the fact.

Natural causes for global warming / climate change would have cooled the planet, not warm it.

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